Shunryu Suzuki Lecture
July 31, 1965
65-07-31 - incomplete
Partial transcription. More to come.
3rd installment added
Tape operator speaks: saturday night
lecture ... ??? beginning at 615 by ??? suzuki or ... bishop sumi
??? forty fifty ... we have ... we
did ... last night ... maybe ... good idea ... to answer some questions
and ... i rather briefly ??? for the question and ask about why you may
have some more question for you. in this world we can extend our
discussion way down way down.
i think this is ... maybe ... we our
... discussion will be more successful i think. so if you have some
question ... please ask ... away.
and and then we ... we have many
question after might answer and ... we are up with bishop ... sumi to
answer ... further question.
student: sensei, if our eye moves to
the ??? before it sounds is it already to late?
sr: ... excuse me?
student: if our eye moves
student: if our eye moves to the ???
sr: eye moves to the ???
student: to the ??? call is a ???
before it strikes
student: and it anticipates it, is it
already to late?
sr: already to late? maybe this is a
question for bishop sumi
sr: do you mean ... before ... listen
to the sound before it ... it is hit you mean?
student: yes. ??? express ???
understanding to be listening for the sound of the ???
sr: ... no, i don’t understand what
... where ... where your mind is you
know. where whatever you think that that something and not something
came through ... through yourself your ... deep mind or true nature. so
it is already there. that sound you mean i don’t know. ... what do you
mean by the sound but ... i think by sound you mean ??? the true nature
or deep mind or through you. so you be ??? listen to if you want to
listen to your doing listen to or yourself in your own voice. but the
better before you do ... it is hit. that my answer do you think my
answer is right? what did you meant?
student: i don’t know.
sr: you don’t know?
studen: no, i think its right. but
that’s a matter of fate.
sr: yeah, thats good.
some more question?
student: is a zen a method of
achiving enlightment is that what idiots ??? zen or zen buddhism is a
method to achive enlightment. do you know if it can be achived through
other religions such as hindu and ... the tibetan lama type thing. do
you know if it can be achived to those as a ??? and if it can, what
makes zen buddishm exclusive?
sr: yeah, exclusive yeah thats right
studend: what makes it exclusive?
sr: that kind of understanding of zen
is very now understanding of things.
??? ??? ??? so what ... ??? our practice is quite
different as we or we discuss about our (can you hear me)
sr: as ... we discuss our ... way always our way is
where you practice it ??? enlightenment you know. but our ??? you do not
expect enlightenment. enlightenment is there. or ... we can say ... if
you expect enlightenment, enlightenment will have to be there and you
will never attain enlightenment if you practice that kind of zen.
that kind of exclusive zen because your knowledge ...
knowledge may be zen practice we can not say that ??? we zen. but
knowledge one of the five school or one of the eight schools of zen,
that is not original zen ??? ... transmitted by bodhidharma or buddha.
you know before bodhidharma ... there was no ... zen master or the ...
or the buddhist practice zen. but more and more bodhidharma ??? ??? that
kind of zen and after bodhidharma we have many and many types of zen
many schools of zen and each school they all kept or ??? we call ??? ???
and this kind of zen is one of the ... five ??? most of zen. but
original zen is to practice zen as a disciple of buddha. to practice zen
as he as buddha is our practice.
this is not just to attain some ??? masters type of
enlightenment. strictly, strictly speaking enlightenment may not be the
same you know i called it to the master. it’s fundamentally to say that
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? some particular way, original way can not be
expressed you know because there is something because ... i am here, i
can express the original way through me. which is express through me in
some particular type of zen.
??? if people thinks my ... particular zen is zen but
how others zen you know. so there must theirs clear distinction from
through fundamentally practice of zen and exclusive some particular ???
so we if we go back to the origin it is the same. and at the same time
... by studying more and more ??? there is the way we can get through
new idea of zen. like shobogenzo you know.
that kind of effort is to make it clear make the
original idea zen clear and make clear distinction from ... some
exclusive and particular zen ... to make original zen. to make clear
original zen from various types of zen. you understand? that is our
effort ... ah, that was not i can not say our effort but dogen sent his
effort. so by dogen we could ... resume to our original zen so here we
have no exclusive idea of zen and at the same time we have many
possibility. there’s many possibility of ... expressive original idea in
various way you can express and dogen his spirits in your own way
because we have no exclusive ... possible of zen.
student: what is satori?
sr: satori... how
to i say... satori ... it is ... i don’t know what you mean. what do you
mean ... what is ... you know ... is satori very difficult question to
figure out what you what kind of ... you know answer you... or expect.
what is satori? because satori is as i ... explain as i explain in
various way. there is no other way to explain ... some kind ... various
kind of answer to your question. there’s many various kind of answer we
be should be prepared you know from... scientifically viewpoint or
psychological viewpoint or from ??? viewpoint. you know, we can not say
??? satori just from ??? viewpoint. psychologist they say such and such
state of mind is you know that is psychology psychologist may answer in
that way and science may say you know satori is the answer which is
which science cant answer. That is to figure out to throw apart the
problem which is science can
Partial transcription by Thorsten Bauer submitted
12-26-12. Posted 12-28-12.
Update still partial post 4-29-13
Thorsten is German and not sure about capitalization so he's not using
capitals as yet.