SR: In this moment, it
restricted, you know, or limited, which is attainable under some
restriction. It's real? limited. [Do you understand? ?? That is what I
Student: Is that part of
you which you restrict, the same part of you that is liberated?
SR: Yeah. Some
restriction necessary. For our liberty??, our [self restrict?? necessary
to obtain?? liberty??.
Student: What are you to
restrict, or what am I to restrict?
SR: According to the
??? we're some kind of, under some kind of circumstances are always ...
different circumstances. So our way ... way is not always same, but
actually limited. It is not always ... always the same. That is
realization, liberty??, or to create even??, actually, in this life. We
understand; in this way. We do not understand it -- restriction. We
understand the means of realizing the liberty??. That -- as restriction.
SR: [For your ??, for
your husband... husband is restriction??, but because of your husband,
you can express your affection. Restriction and... it is... it gives you
some chance to express your limited?? life.
For me to... for
me as I'm Japanese, to come and live San Francisco
is very big restriction. ??? express my freedom. Because of my freedom
???. [Thank you.??
???. At the same
time I have no idea, really. So when there's no liberty?? ???.
SR: ??? just ???.
This is ???.
Student: ???. Suzuki, is
it always hard to, like, know like? what restriction should be take? ??
Student: I was a
talented ???, ??? things that ??? think they ??? long believers??. I
don't?? even know just what... to... to ??? I just bought ??? kinds.
But if ??? and it's really... and it's really hard to.... What do you
do there, if you have to find your own?? way, and yet you have ??? just
as soon as you pick?? it?
SR: Mm-hmm. ???.
[It's this kind of ??? away.?? ???.
something... missing??. ???. In our [way of life?? whether you are
Japanese or American. Something is missing, ???. [Realize this??. Our
real ??? idea of liberty?? too much??. ??? ... we... ???. Or, we do
not emphasize too much – after it. But ... I hope some [attention to
it?? for our desires or instinct.... Some control. So if you practice
this??, that you can practice this ??? you have some [deep way??, or
because you have to organize ??? some part, and some ??? is necessary
for your life. ???. ??? [to come sit, you have to ??? ?? of ???, this
is a kind ???.
If you are
concentrated on everyday practice of zazen, [then this?? this ??? some
restriction. ???. [Organization.... Necessary.??
Student: Long ago you
said we recognize deep liberty??. ??? recognize ???.
SR: But, you know, if
you ???. ??? you have to be mad?? at it.
Student: I hope what I
was trying to ???.
SR: ???. Buddhist way
??? very?? superficial. ???.
Student: I messed you
up, too, but then I asked him?? if [he done??. ???.
SR: ??? fundamental
that??. ???. [The goal in?? ???. [The goal here is?? ???. [Because
you are?? ???. ??? [all the way to the goal??. And, as soon as you
arrive at the goal, you?? ???. I wish I didn't. [Laughter]. ???.
But, the rest of your life ??? to the [right way??. ???. I ???. ???
to the ???. Never?? ??? [just come?? to this world. [So three's??
helping those??. What is ??? ? And when we are angry, ???. ???, when
we are ???. That is a?? ???. ???. [Laughter]. ???. [Laughs]. [Long
After the Second
World War, in Japan, the textbook of history... completely, completely
changed. The ???, they become?? part of [other sociality now??. And
that sociality?? is based on some, you know, idea, or some -- idea...
framework of society. And then almost all the teachers?? in Japan
become a lover... lover? ??? framework idea of framework [on the??
society... and that framework ... ??? more societistical?? ... this is
big ???. Mistake. It is much better to be some [lover?? , but to?? see
some drug. Or, to see some Cokes. [Laughter]. [Future lover??, not...
no, maybe it is ???. ??? a new generation of Japanese, because ???.
[Laughter]. ???. [This is age of loving, what?? ? ???.
Student: ???, robot??
SR: ???. [Laughter].
Student: ??? could...
could that be dualistic at all, in?? that... robot would be ???, someone
else is talking about? Who I am, like a machine?
Student: ??? robot is a
SR: If you want to be
a lover??, this... this is another... ???.
SR: Yes. ???.
Nothing perfect,?? ???. ??? big question mark. Samadhi??. ???.
Student: I?? heard you
say, unless you can stop your mind [in the?? sutras, you really won't
know too much. You won't be able to understand ???.
SR: Stop?? your mind?
[Acknowledgement]??. There's no need to stop your mind. When you
practice Zen, you have to [Tape runs out?].
In other words, we
must not be confined?? in physical?? world. We must not be confined??
??? in world.
pause. Audio error, maybe different lecture?]
That is why we are
caught?? -- some idea of perfect.
perfection? Perfection is nothing but ???. You exist?? [in perfect or
imperfect] way. Exist as?? [in perfect or imperfect] existence??. This
is ???. There is no explanation??.
You say hand??,
but not house??. But ??? - perfect??. [And when you?? pick up
something -- perfect. Harmony??. What?? is [harmony? ?? Harmony...
[exist in dream??. You cannot this??. Harmony... [Long pause].
Harmony ???. [It
is?? some dream??, when you're?? asleep. You have ???. ???. Before
[you notice, maybe even notice or ever notice], you... you have it.
Harmony is something we already -- before we say "harmony"... [Long
nobody's?? caught, I'm not caught by ideas of images... ??? ... and
[still want or still won't]... help others is to help one's self. To??
save others before one save one's own. Can I [sort of?? divide an??
effort ??? ? ???.
SR: There?? you have,
??? ... "Problem?"... as you have... [Pause]. ???. Buddha... Buddha's
words??. How do you understand our practice ??? compared?? to Buddha's
Student: I find??
it's... my first reaction?? is an acknowledgement of sincere effort...
Student: ??? [Short].
SR: In?? what way?
Student: Well... [well
as yet?? misdirected effort.
SR: Hmm??. Right now,
your effort that you are making is right effort, or wrong effort [maybe
question?]. Is that so?
SR: The effort you
make is ???. That you are compares?? the idea of ??? Buddha, or ???.
That maybe sutras?? is... is that you are ???. ???. ??? [the written
teaching??. [Is that so?? ? If so, you ???. Is that what you mean?
Student: There is still
seems to be a division between philosophical and emotional ???.
SR: Yeah. When you
are, [you know??, your?? problem is ???. ??? Buddhist's?? ???... of
Buddha's ??? or?? Buddha's teaching literally in the?? scripture. But
??? not ??? practice. ???. Practice ???, [maybe so??. And you are
not... you do not understand. You have no ???, intellectual
understanding of your practice. ???.
Student: ??? [every
day?? ???. [So one way that it?? seems ???. [Suzuki cuts in]. That
sounded dualistic, but [Suzuki cuts in again, laughs].
SR: That is the main
point of the lecture [[laughs]?? tonight.
That is the point.
In short, if you do not have??, if you do not understand why ??? angry
[Questioner cuts in]... I am... I am quite different ???... I am quite
someone?? who has nothing to do with you. That is your attitude. ???
[laughs]. ??? not... that is so, but I can... ??? exaggerate, [you
are... I can... problem.?? ??? So...
[But this why??
In short, if
Buddhism is right, or if zazen practice is right, I will practice zazen.
If zazen is... is wrong, I will not do it. Or if the leader?? practice
is good one, I will practice. If not, I will ???. It look like so,
Student: Not so much.
[Suzuki laughs]. ??? it... it... it's true in my case [that I think
that it??, quite often in terms of a special freedom, or a special ???
[Suzuki acknowledges], and even though I'm ??? conceptual I am this
somehow opposite ???...
Student: Certain kind of
SR: My lecture ???
directed to that part??. Anyway you are apolitical. [[Laugh]??. Kind
of, you know. ??? [is necessary??.
So, I've spoken
??? philosophical way tonight. And, Buddhist philosophy is said denial
of Buddhist philosophy. It is ??? Buddhist philosophy. To
intellectualize our [understanding or expanding] is to intellectualize
our intellectuality. What is your intellectuality?? ? What is
And if you study,
if you push that philosophical [way or away], through and through,
recipe ??? and ???.
So we ??? tonight
at ??? push the idea of freedom, idea of perfect social structure [or
liberty?? to that point where you fight??. That make no more perfect??
In short, our life
is ???. That is absolutely?? true. Absolutement??.
Student: [Speaks] ???.
SR: Samsara??. ???
We say in
monastery?? after Buddha [pass away?? , it is 2,050 ??? years?? ago that
Buddha [pass away??. If?? today is pass??. Our life maybe... maybe
become ???. Real?? life ??? more?? ???. Small, shallow, muddy puddle.
How is it possible
to [attain or obtain] perfection in that muddy puddle? [Laughs].
But, we have to
strive for it.
Buddha has strived for, and we have to be [successor. Buddha. or
successor Buddha]. That is our way. Did?? you understand?
And you want to
find out some pure water in small puddle. Pond. [[Laughs]??. Small
muddy [pond or puddle].
[three-and-eight day??, before [four-and-nine day??, we receive this
kind of big stick on ourself??. You are ???, [grunts]! [Laughter].
???. To have idea
??? you cannot get out of ???. [That is true??.
That is [an
eternal?? truth. That ???.
Compared?? to this
???, through [your action??, ??? practice zazen here. ???, you will
find out how ??? Buddha ???. Do you understand?
If all of you
understand this point, ???. What is the meaning ???. [Laughter].
That it ??? someplace. But catfish is catfish because it is catfish.
Through and through. [Laughter]. ??? something more than catfish.
[[laughs].?? ???. How unusual! [laughs]. ???. [Laughter]. ???.
So??, because catfish ???... catfish ??? big [puddle or pond]. He's
more than big catfish. ???. ??? whole world. ???.
Student: If the catfish
wants to be a wheel, isn't the desire to want to be a wheel part of the
SR: [laughs]. If he
want to be [laughs], maybe?? .... [Laughter]. If you want to be a
catfish, ??? become a whale, but you are [sure or still]?? ???.
[Laughter, responses]. Unfortunately! [Laughs, laughter].
Thank you very
srl-66-03-26B digital audio archive from DC. Problem set. First transcribed
March 2012 by Judy Gilbert. Work in progress. Further preparation to
post by DC. More editing and
transcription by CM beginning of October 2012 using mostly the enhanced
audio . Prep for posting 10-26-12 - DC.
Audio grade fluctuates from
grade C or D downwards: not much of the
audio is clear, and it has a tendency to get really poor for vast
sections of time. Maybe <50% is clear? Seems to be a cut somewhere
after the middle (marked in transcript); can't be exactly sure it is the
??? denotes at
least one muddled word, or just a stretch of bad audio. ?? denotes a
guessed word, with an added open bracket meaning a guessed phrase or
sentence. Ambiguous words (such as homonyms or where an "a" might be an
"un-") stated in closed brackets.